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MarkusD

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Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 19:12
 
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Hi,

I'm not sure how your work flow is within jAlbum. I like the option View|Hide Excluded turned ON. Unfortunately after closing and restarting jAlbum the option is always OFF. Would it be possible to remember this option after restarting jAlbum? Thanks in advance.
RobM

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 20:27   in response to: MarkusD in response to: MarkusD
 
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I'd need a more visible hint that excluded objects are hidden, more than the tick mark in the view menu anyway.

How would you keep track of excluded objects if they are all hidden by default? Or is it that you just don't want to see thumbnails for objects used as folder icons or theme images?
MarkusD

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 20:42   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
I'd need a more visible hint that excluded objects are hidden, more than the tick mark in the view menu anyway.
Yes, I understand what you mean. But there is a visible hint, in the status line, see attached screenshot.

How would you keep track of excluded objects if they are all hidden by default? Or is it that you just don't want to see thumbnails for objects used as folder icons or theme images?
This is a missunderstanding. I don't want to have "View|Hide Excluded" ON by default. That would be indeed a huge problem to most users. All I'm after is that if a user is using this option, that it "survives" after restarting JA. For example the option "View|Large Thumbnails" does survive a restart of JA.

In my own application I do draw filtered elements (e. g. a grid with data from a database) with a different color, if the data is filtered, just to remember that a filter is involved. Not sure if this would be necessary here, I don't think so.

By the way, if JA would remember the option "View|Hide Excluded" opening an album would be faster, because JA doesn't need to draw all those elements which I don't want to see anyway.
RobM

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 21:13   in response to: MarkusD in response to: MarkusD
 
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MarkusD wrote:
RobM wrote:
I'd need a more visible hint that excluded objects are hidden, more than the tick mark in the view menu anyway.
Yes, I understand what you mean. But there is a visible hint, in the status line, see attached screenshot.
That tells me how many are excluded in the visible folder, but for other folders there is no clue.
How would you keep track of excluded objects if they are all hidden by default? Or is it that you just don't want to see thumbnails for objects used as folder icons or theme images?
This is a missunderstanding. I don't want to have "View|Hide Excluded" ON by default. That would be indeed a huge problem to most users. All I'm after is that if a user is using this option, that it "survives" after restarting JA. For example the option "View|Large Thumbnails" does survive a restart of JA.
Yes, I got that. The idea is fine as long as a preference setting enables it, it is not something I would want for the above reason - that and I'm liable to forget I have hidden excluded objects temporary and don't want them to stay hidden.
MarkusD

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 21:21   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
MarkusD wrote:
RobM wrote:
I'd need a more visible hint that excluded objects are hidden, more than the tick mark in the view menu anyway.
Yes, I understand what you mean. But there is a visible hint, in the status line, see attached screenshot.
That tells me how many are excluded in the visible folder, but for other folders there is no clue.
The option "View|Hide Excluded" is to hide excluded elements in the actual folder. I'm not interested to know if any elements are hidden in any other folder. ;-) I thought, that this option is to suppress elements in which I'm not interested to see when I'm dealing with an album, so I'm able to focus on the elements I'm interested in. Or did I miss something here?

How would you keep track of excluded objects if they are all hidden by default? Or is it that you just don't want to see thumbnails for objects used as folder icons or theme images?
This is a missunderstanding. I don't want to have "View|Hide Excluded" ON by default. That would be indeed a huge problem to most users. All I'm after is that if a user is using this option, that it "survives" after restarting JA. For example the option "View|Large Thumbnails" does survive a restart of JA.
Yes, I got that. The idea is fine as long as a preference setting enables it, it is not something I would want for the above reason - that and I'm liable to forget I have hidden excluded objects temporary and don't want them to stay hidden.
Yes, it is kind of "dangerous", to hide excluded elements, quit JA, and after several month start JA and you might think, where are all my pictures, instead, they are just hidden.
RobM

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 21:31   in response to: MarkusD in response to: MarkusD
 
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MarkusD wrote:
The option "View|Hide Excluded" is to hide excluded elements in the actual folder. I'm not interested to know if any elements are hidden in any other folder. ;-) I thought, that this option is to suppress elements in which I'm not interested to see when I'm dealing with an album, so I'm able to focus on the elements I'm interested in. Or did I miss something here?
The view/hide excluded objects is a global effect, if you are in the root and hide objects, all excluded objects in all subfolders get hidden.
MarkusD

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 21:46   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
MarkusD wrote:
The option "View|Hide Excluded" is to hide excluded elements in the actual folder. I'm not interested to know if any elements are hidden in any other folder. ;-) I thought, that this option is to suppress elements in which I'm not interested to see when I'm dealing with an album, so I'm able to focus on the elements I'm interested in. Or did I miss something here?
The view/hide excluded objects is a global effect, if you are in the root and hide objects, all excluded objects in all subfolders get hidden.
I'm more confused than ever. ;-) How are subfolders involved in this option? In Explore-mode I can only see one folder at a time. So how would I see if any subfolders or subsubfolders are hidden? Other than in the left treeview of the project, where hidden folders are in gray color, see screenshot.

To make it short. I still think that the option "View|Hide Excluded" should survive a restart of JA.

Jeff, David, what do you think? Is my request to dangerous?
JeffTucker

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 21:50   in response to: MarkusD in response to: MarkusD
 
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MarkusD wrote:
Jeff... what do you think?

I just don't care. I didn't even know that option existed, because I've never wanted to do that. If there's something I don't want to include in the project, I just don't add it in the first place.
RobM

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 7 Sep 22, 21:59   in response to: MarkusD in response to: MarkusD
 
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I am at the root level and select hide excluded. I move down to a subfolder in explore pane, excluded objects are hidden but it says 4 are excluded (as long as nothing is selected in the explore pane). I unhide excluded items and 2 folders appear in explore pane (they were already visible but dimmed in the project pane). 2 images also appear in the explore pane (never visible in the project pane).

It is the hidden non-folder objects, in subfolders, that one might forget about being hidden.
MarkusD

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 10 Sep 22, 12:41   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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Rob, I understand all your arguments, but the conclusion doesn't make sense to me. If the option is really so dangerous, then it is dangerous as soon as I turn it on and not only after restarting JA.

My conclusion remains, there is no plausible reason for me that this option does not survive a restart of JA. Thanks, Markus
RobM

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 10 Sep 22, 12:54   in response to: MarkusD in response to: MarkusD
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I’m not saying it should not survive a restart or even a reload of a project, just that the user has the option of turning it on and off. Ultimately it is for David to decide. I’ll move this thread to feature requests.
MarkusD

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 12 Sep 22, 18:24   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
... Ultimately it is for David to decide. I’ll move this thread to feature requests.
Thanks Rob!
davidekholm

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Re: Remember "View|Hide Excluded" after restarting JA
Posted: 13 Sep 22, 15:14   in response to: MarkusD in response to: MarkusD
 
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I suspect that making that setting sticky (surviving restarts) could lead to confusion when users have forgot about images they excluded long ago, but now start looking for them again.
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