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RobMacDonald

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Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 15:52
 
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Hello,

I'm experiencing issues while using the edit/crop function on individual issues. Basically, the highlighted crop focus window appears but begins to deactivate and activate (depending on my clicking on the image). In addition, pulling the corners don't seem to lock on the focus window and when I eventually get the size correct and drag the focus window, it takes many attempts to get it to lock on where I'm attempting to position it. When I drag to the desired position and release, it jumps back to a corner or some other position I've not selected.

Not sure if this is related to the issue above but when, for instance, I Edit--> Effects --> Sharpen, the image briefly displays the post sharpened image but then reverts to the pre-edited image. But when I then select apply, the image does then appear as sharpened.

Maybe user error on my part but I've not been able to find anything similar in the doc/forum. I've included two screen videos that show some examples of the issue.

Running JAlbum 28.1.5 - Java 14, 64 Bit.
macOs Catalina 10.15.7

Thanks - Rob MacDonald

Edited by: RobMacDonald on 13 Jul 2022, 10:40

Edited by: RobMacDonald on 13 Jul 2022, 10:40
RobM

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 16:33   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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RobMacDonald wrote:
I've included two screen videos that show some examples of the issue.
Not quite, something must have gone wrong with the uploading.
RobM

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 16:38   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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In the crop panel if you want free form cropping make sure keep ratio is unchecked.
RobMacDonald

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 16:42   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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Hi Rob,

Sorry about those attachments, hopefully you see them now? Also, this was not free-form cropping, I was using the predefined options.
RobM

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 17:08   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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RobMacDonald wrote:
Hi Rob,

Sorry about those attachments, hopefully you see them now? Also, this was not free-form cropping, I was using the predefined options.

I still don’t see the attachments, maybe too big. It might be easier to make an album of them and post a link
RobMacDonald

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 17:17   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 18:04   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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Never seen anything like that before.
Check the system console in case there are any warnings.

Check your jAlbum configuration folder for an ‘ext’ folder, if there is one temporarily move it to your desktop. Does restarting jAlbum make a difference? If not try turning the Mac off (not a reboot), then start it again. Does it work now? If not try reinstalling jAlbum, after trying it again put the old ext folder back if one was removed.

If it still doesn’t work you’ll have to wait for David.
JeffTucker

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 18:12   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
Never seen anything like that before.

Neither have I, and I can't reproduce it on Windows 11 or macOS 11.6.7. I've tried some of the usual suspects, like different look-and-feel settings, and I've tried both using the touchpad and using a mouse. Nothing out of the ordinary. Ditto for the sharpness filter - it retains its new sharpness level until I choose either Apply or Cancel.
RobMacDonald

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 13 Jul 22, 18:16   in response to: JeffTucker in response to: JeffTucker
 
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Thanks Rob & Jeff,

I'll implement your suggested actions and if they don't work, will dig into my machines local diagnostics to see if I can find any hints. I was just testing with the system console open after reopening JALBUM. Seems that the functions work as expected for a few change iterations but then start to exhibit the reported issues.

Anyway, thanks again. I'll update this post with any finds I get from my end.

Rob MacDonald
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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 14 Jul 22, 14:28   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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FYI: I'm following this thread with interest. Can't reproduce this on my Mac, but perhaps I will after updating the OS from good old Catalina.
RobMacDonald

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 14 Jul 22, 15:00   in response to: davidekholm in response to: davidekholm
 
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I've not yet taken the steps provided by Rob with the thought I could get a better handle on the conditions where this is happening. First, I thought maybe hardware acceleration may be in play but selecting/deselection 'Attempt to use hardware accelerated scaling' had no effect.

Then I did note the following. If I open an image for editing and if the first action I take is the crop feature, the issue does NOT occur and the cropping focus remains stable and visible. If however, I open the image for editing, then select Effects --> Sharpen and then apply, if I then try to crop, the issue occurs. I've tried this sequence on several photos and the behavior seems to be consistent.

Added Screen Recording 3 to the folder that demonstrates the behavior.

https://robsphotos.blog/DIAG/index.html
JeffTucker

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 14 Jul 22, 15:21   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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Following that sequence, I still can't reproduce the behavior on either platform.

(You can ignore hardware acceleration - that applies to the scaling process, so it has no effect until you're actually building the album.)
JeffTucker

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 14 Jul 22, 15:28   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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RobMacDonald wrote:
I've not yet taken the steps provided by Rob....

Please do so. It will take less than 2 minutes, and might save a lot of "thrashing around" time.
RobMacDonald

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 14 Jul 22, 16:06   in response to: JeffTucker in response to: JeffTucker
 
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OK, completed the recommended steps with no change to the reported behavior. There was no EXT folder. Stopped and started JALBUM, rebooted the mac, removed/downloaded/reinstalled new JALBUM executable.

I would say, now that I'm aware that if I crop first then apply effects, the issue can be circumvented. So at least from my standpoint, this is pretty low priority especially since no one else has reported the issue nor can it be reproduced. I wouldn't waste too much of your time on this.

Thanks

Rob MacDonald
JeffTucker

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Re: Crop Function focus window
Posted: 14 Jul 22, 17:09   in response to: RobMacDonald in response to: RobMacDonald
 
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It almost sounds as if you've got some sort of "helpful" addon on your Mac, something that tries to place the cursor where it thinks you want it. Accessibility tools often do things like that.
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