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MarkusD

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Registered: 13-Apr-2006

Re: Multi language texts
Posted: 1 Nov 22, 10:19

in response to: Laza

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Laza wrote:
How would you manage the different translations of the comments?

jAlbum could provide a new dialog which is split into two panels (or as many as languages are involved). Example for an album with two languages, German and English

So in the left panel the German text, the right panel the English text.

In Chameleon it looked like this:

Default comment[de]German comment[fr]French comment

I'm not sure this is the best solution.

Why not?

The above text would look like this in the comment field:

[de]Vorwort\
\
Schon das zweite Jahr keine PolarJazz-Reise. Und es ist ja nicht so, dass es in der Zeit alternative Reisen gegeben hätte. Was tun sprach Zeus. Was kann man sonst noch so auf Spitzbergen machen? Ja, man könnte sich mal einen Sonnenaufgang angucken. Natürlich nicht irgendeinen, sondern den ersten des Jahres. <g>
[en]Preface\
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Already the second year no PolarJazz trip. And it's not like there have been alternative trips in that time. What to do said Zeus. What else is there to do on Spitsbergen? Yes, you could go and see a sunrise. Not just any sunrise, of course, but the first one of the year. <g>

RobM

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Re: Multi language texts
Posted: 1 Nov 22, 22:34

in response to: MarkusD

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Not sure what prompted the resurrection of this old thread but...
The problem multiple language support is that, in my opinion, it needs to be for every aspect of the page. That is not just titles and comments but tooltips, metadata, home links, About/Contact pages etc.

That's why I made Polyglot (based on Laza's Chameleon language support). It is the only truly multi-language skin, it's also the reason why the design is simple - the JavaScript required is horrendous.

More to the point, these days mobile devices (at least Safari on iOS) have built in translation of web page texts (even speaking the translated text if wanted). It can't be long until desktop browsers have the same facility.

MarkusD

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Re: Multi language texts
Posted: 1 Nov 22, 22:47

in response to: RobM

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RobM wrote:
The problem multiple language support is that, in my opinion, it needs to be for every aspect of the page. That is not just titles and comments but tooltips, metadata, home links, About/Contact pages etc.

Yes and no.

As I remember Cameleon was able to handle just that, titles and comments, nothing more or less. That would do the trick for me.

That's why I made Polyglot (based on Laza's Chameleon language support). It is the only truly multi-language skin, it's also the reason why the design is simple - the JavaScript required is horrendous.

Please don't get me wrong. But I really like the Tiger skin, as I liked Turtle and Chameleon. Using another skin, for whatever reason, wouldn't be an option to me.

More to the point, these days mobile devices (at least Safari on iOS) have built in translation of web page texts (even speaking the translated text if wanted). It can't be long until desktop browsers have the same facility.

I assume you are right, "online" translation will become more and more a standard. Nevertheless I don't like that other companies "grab" the text of my homepage and process it. Of course I know I can't prevent them to do so.

RobM

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Re: Multi language texts
Posted: 1 Nov 22, 23:05

in response to: MarkusD

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MarkusD wrote:

RobM wrote:
That's why I made Polyglot (based on Laza's Chameleon language support). It is the only truly multi-language skin, it's also the reason why the design is simple - the JavaScript required is horrendous.

Please don't get me wrong. But I really like the Tiger skin, as I liked Turtle and Chameleon. Using another skin, for whatever reason, wouldn't be an option to me.

Same for many users, and they should't change if they are happy.

More to the point, these days mobile devices (at least Safari on iOS) have built in translation of web page texts (even speaking the translated text if wanted). It can't be long until desktop browsers have the same facility.

I assume you are right, "online" translation will become more and more a standard. Nevertheless I don't like that other companies "grab" the text of my homepage and process it. Of course I know I can't prevent them to do so.

With iOS you have to ask for a translation, it isn't automatic. Also the translation code can be downloaded letting it translate once you have the page and are offline. I think that is more polite

JeffTucker

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Registered: 31-Jan-2006

Re: Multi language texts
Posted: 1 Nov 22, 23:10

in response to: RobM

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RobM wrote:
With iOS you have to ask for a translation, it isn't automatic.

That would probably be a GDPR violation. Along with almost everything else that happens on a typical web page.

RobM

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Re: Multi language texts
Posted: 1 Nov 22, 23:14

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JeffTucker wrote:

RobM wrote:
With iOS you have to ask for a translation, it isn't automatic.

That would probably be a GDPR violation. Along with almost everything else that happens on a typical web page.

What I don't understand is that when visiting a page, showing a GDPR/cookie statement they have already got your IP address - which is a violation of the GDPR regulations.

JeffTucker

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Re: Multi language texts
Posted: 1 Nov 22, 23:27

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And just by connecting to a server, you're revealing the User-Agent of your browser!

I really have to wonder how long it's going to take the EU to figure out that it's doing something truly stupid. In fact, it's more than stupid. It reveals a deep misunderstanding about how the free stuff on the interwebs gets paid for. Apparently the EU wants other people to pay for all this, rather than its own citizens.