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marlow

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Neptume: any way to auto open an image
Posted: 29 Aug 21, 22:29
 
I'm changing to Neptune and trying out some UI/design alternatives. Seems like I do a major skin change every 5 years. I first search and then don't find anything to tempt me away from jAlbum. It's always fun to find the new improvements! ;-) I really appreciate the effort folks put into creating and evolving various skins!

I have a few questions I haven't been able to answer from the User's Manual and searching the forums. Some questions refer to 'automatic actions' which I understand have been removed from browsers for security, yet some capability might remain via floatbox or added script--but I'm not sure how that works.

1. Beginning a video automatically: I have selected "autoplay videos." Under OSX/Firefox and OSX/Chrome, I get a video to start when it's opened--yaay. However in OSX/Safari and for all three browsers in iOS another click is required. Plus in these latter cases, there are now two play icons ▶ visible and only the inner one works. Can I do any better than that?

2. Animated gifs play well when opened and play is clicked (i.e. they seem to loop till closed which is ok). Unlike videos, they don't seem to start automatically in OSX/Firefox and OSX/Chrome.

3. When play slideshow is in effect and an animated gif is encountered, it seems that gifs play for the "timed slideshow" duration, not till they end. Any fix?

4. After an album is opened (thumbnail clicked on) is there any way to automatically open the first image, perhaps after a slight delay?

5. After opening an album, is there any way to automatically start the Slideshow?

6. Is there any way to place a play control icon ▶ on the index page of an album so a user can start a slideshow without having to first open an image?

Thanks in advance!
Bob
JeffTucker

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Re: Neptume: any way to auto open an image
Posted: 29 Aug 21, 23:43   in response to: marlow in response to: marlow
 
marlow wrote:
1. Beginning a video automatically: I have selected "autoplay videos." Under OSX/Firefox and OSX/Chrome, I get a video to start when it's opened--yaay. However in OSX/Safari and for all three browsers in iOS another click is required. Plus in these latter cases, there are now two play icons ▶ visible and only the inner one works. Can I do any better than that?

Autoplay is working for me in macOS 11.5.2 with Safari 14.1.2. I can't speak to what iOS devices do, since I don't own one. I've never encountered the "two play icons" phenomenon.

But there's a reason why browsers do their best to block video autoplay. It's because site visitors hate it. I don't use it in any of my own albums, and I've been sorely tempted to remove it from my skins. It's a fairly aggressive thing to do.

2. Animated gifs play well when opened and play is clicked (i.e. they seem to loop till closed which is ok). Unlike videos, they don't seem to start automatically in OSX/Firefox and OSX/Chrome.

For me, an animated GIF is always animated (not the thumbnail, which is actually a JPG), in all browsers, in both Windows and macOS. There's no such thing as "starting" an animated GIF. There's never a "play" icon, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. There's also no such thing as an animated GIF that "plays" once, and then stops.

Neither of these statements is true in Facebook, mind you. I have no idea what they're doing to GIF's, or why they're doing it. In typical FB fashion, they've taken something simple that's been around for decades, and have made a mess of it, for reasons unknown.

3. When play slideshow is in effect and an animated gif is encountered, it seems that gifs play for the "timed slideshow" duration, not till they end. Any fix?

An animated GIF doesn't provide any sort of "I'm finished" signal that a display script can detect. But since most are just a few seconds long, that's usually not an issue. If you have GIF's with longer animation, you'd be better off converting them to MP4's (lots of free sites on the interwebs), and then using the MP4's in your album, which would address the slideshow timing. The file sizes would be smaller, too.

4. After an album is opened (thumbnail clicked on) is there any way to automatically open the first image, perhaps after a slight delay?

No. Perhaps do-able, but that's another one of those things that I find aggressive, and I detest it when I run into it in albums made with other skins. Why show me the thumbnails, only to snatch them away from me before I can decide what I want to do?

5. After opening an album, is there any way to automatically start the Slideshow?

No. Again, aggression. In fact, I can barely resist the urge to get rid of timed slideshows in my skins entirely. As a site visitor, I want to decide how long I look at each image. I don't want the album creator forcing his choices on me.

6. Is there any way to place a play control icon ▶ on the index page of an album so a user can start a slideshow without having to first open an image?

No. That's another one of those things that I could probably do, but since I hate timed slideshows, there's pretty much no chance that I'll tackle it.
marlow

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Re: Neptume: any way to auto open an image
Posted: 2 Sep 21, 05:54   in response to: JeffTucker in response to: JeffTucker
 
Been busy and it's taken a while to get back here, but many thanks for the help.

re. asking about "Beginning a video automatically & 2 play icons"

JeffTucker wrote:

I've never encountered the "two play icons" phenomenon.

... there's a reason why browsers do their best to block video autoplay. It's because site visitors hate it. I don't use it in any of my own albums, and I've been sorely tempted to remove it from my skins. It's a fairly aggressive thing to do.


You're ahead of me as I use a still older macOS 10.14.6, but I don't think that's a problem. Looking at a video again, I think I can explain the two icons phenomenon:



The first play icon is the inner or embedded video player. The second or outer play icon refers to the album and it's potential slideshow.

re. controlling "animated GIFs"

JeffTucker wrote:
For me, an animated GIF is always animated in all browsers, in both Windows and macOS. There's no such thing as "starting" an animated GIF. There's never a "play" icon...

Good point, I agree animated gifs play quite well in jAlbum and I see I misspoke on that "play" icon. I was probably thinking of the play once vs loop options when I create them in photoshop. Looking at one of my gifs again:



there is a play icon below the gif, but it is not the gif's, it's the other one that refers to a possible album slideshow.

None of this would be confusing for you or me..., but I do have even some web-wise visitors who get confused: e.g. by navigating thru a hierarchy of album folders, by seeing a matrix of thumbnails and sometimes not even realizing one can usually open an image and proceed through the album for the best experience. Or possibly some are aware of using the lightbox, don't find the photos interesting, and are just sparing my feelings, LOL. I do find visitors (in my case these are mainly family and friends) are sometimes confused about things I take for granted. On the other hand some with art school backgrounds who are now designers appalled if there is too much navigational aid. And typically neither type are good at or interested in reading an info or help page. I-like others-aim for a some kind of compromise.

So do realize that I might consider trying out and experimenting with some features that I might end up not using.

Thanks for your helpful suggestion to convert all GIFs to videos. No problem. That standardization might make a lot of things easier in the long run.

Re. "automatically open the first image, perhaps after a slight delay?"

JeffTucker wrote:

No. ... that's another one of those things that I find aggressive, and I detest it when I run into it in albums made with other skins.


Ok

5. After opening an album, is there any way to automatically start the Slideshow?

JeffTucker wrote:

No. Again, aggression. In fact, I can barely resist the urge to get rid of timed slideshows in my skins entirely. As a site visitor, I want to decide how long I look at each image. I don't want the album creator forcing his choices on me.


Ok

re. "Is there any way to place a play control icon ▶ on the index page of an album"


JeffTucker wrote:
No. That's another one of those things that I could probably do, but since I hate timed slideshows,

Ok.

You would probably be surprised to find that I agree with most of your sentiments regarding automation. I don't hate and detest it as you claim to, but I would recommend that anyone designing their album site try to let the user control things and avoid automatically starting things to the greatest extent possible. I would not advise this so very aggressively as you.

There may be some album creators who are neither ignorant nor misinformed, yet still have a reason to offer some automations or accommodations to visitors. For example in iPhone (I realize you do not have one of these) settings, a section called "Accessibility" offers a number of features which though-not useful to all-can sometimes benefit folks with certain vision, motor and other challenges.

I have a father in his nineties who bought and mastered an iPhone enough to stay in touch over a couple thousand miles during covid quarantine. He's not an expert and has trouble with tapping or clicking on things. For some reason seniors often seem to stab at rather than gently tap, for example. He has more trouble the more navigation he has to do via tapping or clickiing on small areas on a screen. He might possibly be better accommodated by certain automations. It seems reasonable for some of us to be curious and inquire as to what sort of automation features are available.
JeffTucker

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Re: Neptume: any way to auto open an image
Posted: 2 Sep 21, 12:44   in response to: marlow in response to: marlow
 
You've put your finger on one problem, and I'm not sure how to solve it. The standard "play/pause" icons for a video and the "play/pause" icons for the automated slideshow are generally indistinguishable. I don't have enough graphics imagination to come up with icons for the slideshow that are different from the video controls and whose meaning is understandable.
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