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xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 28 Aug 20, 16:28   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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Ah. I wondered if it was something like that.

Thanks. I'll probably take a look at that a bit later on. I have some other things on my mind but I am hoping today that I can publish the skin and get some of the new albums up as well as documentation (though maybe that first).

Appreciate all the help, all of you!
xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 1 Sep 20, 20:15   in response to: xexyl in response to: xexyl
 
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I just updated the skin on the skin's page:

https://jalbum.net/en/skins/skin/Reflections

Thank you once again jGromit, Rob and Chris as well as David! Much appreciated.

Here's the example album: http://xexyl.jalbum.net/Africa/ (oddly it's not showing right in Safari and I don't know why: the filtered images are the wrong images and it shouldn't even be possible since the filters applied are not what the album has configured and local preview does not show this problem at all. Probably it's a caching issue as I did have it that way by accident at first.).

For some reason the other album that I wanted to show to you Rob - since you asked about the chaining reflections - is not working right on jAlbum's site anyway. I had to re-upload it too and it still isn't working right. Anyway I did show you an example but here are two more images.

Again thank you! I do have to finish some documentation for one of the filters and the general skin features (that is the slides and stylesheet features basic though they are) and upload more albums but that'll be another time.

Cheers.

xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 1 Sep 20, 20:20   in response to: xexyl in response to: xexyl
 
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Oh btw: do any of you have a recommended website to test if a website is responsive? I fear the skin does not generate responsive websites but whether that's an Exposure thing or the html/css - or both - I do not know. Maybe it is fine though; I've not tested it on any of my mobile devices yet anyway but one website of mine I did test Google suggests it's not responsive.

If not that's okay it just would be nice to be able to tick the responsive feature in the skin.

Thank you.
RobM

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 1 Sep 20, 20:33   in response to: xexyl in response to: xexyl
 
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xexyl wrote:
Oh btw: do any of you have a recommended website to test if a website is responsive? I fear the skin does not generate responsive websites but whether that's an Exposure thing or the html/css - or both - I do not know. Maybe it is fine though; I've not tested it on any of my mobile devices yet anyway but one website of mine I did test Google suggests it's not responsive.
I use Safari’s (desktop) responsive option, you can chose a device size, orientation and even split screen or not. But most of us probably just widen and reduce the browser’s width.
If not that's okay it just would be nice to be able to tick the responsive feature in the skin.
Attached two screen grabs of Safari for iOS, the results are the same in Firefox. I use an iPad Pro (9.7-inch).
Thank you.
xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Sep 20, 01:46   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
xexyl wrote:
Oh btw: do any of you have a recommended website to test if a website is responsive? I fear the skin does not generate responsive websites but whether that's an Exposure thing or the html/css - or both - I do not know. Maybe it is fine though; I've not tested it on any of my mobile devices yet anyway but one website of mine I did test Google suggests it's not responsive.
I use Safari’s (desktop) responsive option, you can chose a device size, orientation and even split screen or not. But most of us probably just widen and reduce the browser’s width.

Right. That's the crazy thing. I used that on the other website I referred to and Google suggests that it's not responsive; that links are too close and I think one other thing. I didn't see that on my phone or in Safari responsive mode or indeed in resizing Firefox on my Linux box.

If not that's okay it just would be nice to be able to tick the responsive feature in the skin.
Attached two screen grabs of Safari for iOS, the results are the same in Firefox. I use an iPad Pro (9.7-inch).

Does that seem responsive to you then? The result with Google on the other website has shattered my belief in the matter. Mind that I haven't looked thoroughly with this skin but I am not sure I trust myself now anyway because of Google's mobile usability testing.

And again much appreciate your time!
RobM

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Sep 20, 11:42   in response to: xexyl in response to: xexyl
 
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Two screen grabs from my phone. Main image is responsive but navigation and thumbnails are not.
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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Sep 20, 11:47   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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As your skin is not tagged as responsive, mobile visitors will see jAlbum’s default mobile ‘skin’. To override this change the mobile settings on your albums page
xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Sep 20, 21:15   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
As your skin is not tagged as responsive, mobile visitors will see jAlbum’s default mobile ‘skin’. To override this change the mobile settings on your albums page

I just took a look at it on one of my phones and I see what you mean live too though I had to look at it on my own website as the jAlbum one looked different (which I guess is what you refer to though then how you saw the other version - the one that you got the screenshots of - I do not know).

The trouble with this is I do not know if this is a thing I can fix with CSS or if it's a thing with Exposure. I know Kristoffer stopped working on it and the most recent version I had problems with though I will probably take a look at his old blog and maybe git repo too to see what I can find.

But worse of all the links on his demo page link to a domain that's no longer in existence so I cannot even determine easily if those are responsive. Maybe I ought to find another plugin to use - I've thought of it before - but what one to use is another question entirely. I am playing with a test album on my local server with my phone too but whether I figure it out is another matter entirely.

Thank you for your help! Very much appreciated. I'll let you know if there's anything else you can do.

Cheers and stay safe mate.
xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Oct 20, 22:45   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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Attachment thumbnails-and-captions.jpg (588.2 KB)
Attachment browser.jpg (454.8 KB)
Attachment captions.jpg (323.1 KB)
Attachment Reflections.jaskin (451.4 KB)
Attachment thumbnails-correct.jpg (726.8 KB)
Okay this is particularly for you Rob since you have a macOS system.

I have spent a bit of time for the past few days each day working on getting another album layout that's responsive put into the skin. I got that but I have an odd problem with it seems macOS jAlbum preview of albums. I don't have Windows but I didn't notice this under Linux. I'm not sure if it's just my end, a problem in jAlbum preview mode in macOS or something else and I'd appreciate if you could - when you get a moment - test this out before I upload a new version to the skin page.

The Reflections.jaskin file is the WIP and the screenshots show some of the problems. It particularly happens with the options 'Show thumbnails' (under Slides) and also 'Show captions' (also under Slides tab) enabled. One or the other or both. Also the option to automatically show captions is a problem.

The file browser.jpg is what it looks like in Safari and everything is fine.

The file captions.jpg is with captions enabled in the jAlbum previewer; you can see that it looks very wrong. The file thumbnails-and-captions.jpg is as the name says both and it also looks very wrong. You also notice that the controls are in a different place and much smaller. Do you see this behaviour too?

Thank you for your time. I did have the thought that if it is a Mac thing and there's a call to find the platform running that I could give a warning on album build but I don't know what class that would be in or if it's possible (doing it without a hack or checking Java directly I mean) and in any event i'll wait and see if you experience this problem too. I should say that disabling filters didn't seem to be a problem (my thinking was height of the album here) and it happens with video, without video and images (I think I checked without images and only video but that was a different album and not this simple one).

Edit: The thumbnails-correct.jpg is how thumbnails panel being up should look and is in Safari.

Edited by: xexyl on 02-Oct-2020 13:53
RobM

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Oct 20, 23:23   in response to: xexyl in response to: xexyl
 
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Yes, I see the same thing you do. The problem is almost certainly the built in browser, it struggles with 'fancy' CSS. The built in browser is a cut down version of WebKit called WebView, it was introduced in jAlbum 13 (October 2015). Other skins have less obvious problems displaying pages. The best thing to do is add a note, on the skin's page and in your manual, not to rely on the internal browser (ALT/OPT + click on preview icon will open the page in the default external browser)
JeffTucker

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Oct 20, 23:25   in response to: xexyl in response to: xexyl
 
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Attachment win10.png (503.8 KB)
A quick report on what I see on a Win10 platform. The page geometry is fine - same in the integrated browser as in Firefox. There are problems in the integrated browser, however.

First, the thumbnails don't display - just blank placeholders. See screenshot.

And when the nav controls time out, moving the mouse doesn't bring them back - you're pretty much trapped at that point.

Nothing in the browser console or in the visible page code to explain either issue. The integrated browser has some known shortcomings, but these symptoms don't match any of the things I know about it. (The worst is that the integrated browser doesn't honor CSS perspective attributes, so parallax images don't work worth a damn.)
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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Oct 20, 23:27   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
The best thing to do is add a note, on the skin's page and in your manual, not to rely on the internal browser....

Yup. I tell my skin users to preview in a real browser before concluding that there's something wrong with the album.
xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Oct 20, 23:34   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
Yes, I see the same thing you do. The problem is almost certainly the built in browser, it struggles with 'fancy' CSS. The built in browser is a cut down version of WebKit called WebView, it was introduced in jAlbum 13 (October 2015). Other skins have less obvious problems displaying pages. The best thing to do is add a note, on the skin's page and in your manual, not to rely on the internal browser (ALT/OPT + click on preview icon will open the page in the default external browser)

Thank you Rob! I definitely will add a note there indeed and later on in the documentation. It's good to know about the option to open the default browser too so thank you for the tip!

Edit: At least under Linux it requires ctrl + alt in order for the external browser to open. I'll note that too. I haven't tested it under macOS as I'm not at the laptop atm but I'll definitely try it out. No idea under Windows but I guess it's a Linux quirk that it's both ctrl and alt?
xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 2 Oct 20, 23:36   in response to: JeffTucker in response to: JeffTucker
 
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jGromit wrote:
RobM wrote:
The best thing to do is add a note, on the skin's page and in your manual, not to rely on the internal browser....

Yup. I tell my skin users to preview in a real browser before concluding that there's something wrong with the album.


Thank you! That's a relief. I wasn't sure and I was trying to find a workaround of some kind but without any extra information I wasn't sure how to go about that.

I will note this. Much appreciated to you both!

Stay safe.
xexyl

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Re: What has changed the past 9 years that might break a skin rebuild?
Posted: 5 Oct 20, 15:20   in response to: xexyl in response to: xexyl
 
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Yesterday I published the updated skin but I have another question due to a feature of Fancybox.

Is there documentation for jAlbum pages (as in in the jAlbum interface right clicking in an album project and selecting *New page*)? Fancybox supports YouTube and Vimeo videos but also HTML elements and I think it might be nice to support these too (as well as just pages that go along with the album).

I didn't see it before but I'm sure it's there somewhere.

Thank you.

Edit: And I'm not sure why the markup isn't translating but New page is what I refer to anyway to make it obvious what I'm after (though maybe there's more to it).

Edited by: xexyl on 05-Oct-2020 06:21
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