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RobM

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 16 Apr 20, 15:55   in response to: JeffTucker in response to: JeffTucker
 
jGromit wrote:
The trouble seems to occur when someone does a lot of image tinkering in Photoshop, and then exports the image for use elsewhere (like jAlbum). None of this image editing information is of any use in a slide image in an album, of course. I'm not a Photoshop user, but I'll wager there's a way to export images without all of that xmp baggage.
See item 7, include develop settings in metadata at https://lightroomkillertips.com/lightroom-running-slowits-probably-one-7-reasons/

Edited by: jGromit on 16-Apr-2020 10:00 - it's item 7, not 6.
dzeleznik

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 16 Apr 20, 22:40   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
RobM wrote:
jGromit wrote:
The trouble seems to occur when someone does a lot of image tinkering in Photoshop, and then exports the image for use elsewhere (like jAlbum). None of this image editing information is of any use in a slide image in an album, of course. I'm not a Photoshop user, but I'll wager there's a way to export images without all of that xmp baggage.
See item 7, include develop settings in metadata at https://lightroomkillertips.com/lightroom-running-slowits-probably-one-7-reasons/

Edited by: jGromit on 16-Apr-2020 10:00 - it's item 7, not 6.


That tip applies to the original photos being managed in Lightroom and whether your develop instructions will be written into their XMP. Since Lightroom edits non-destructively and never modifies the actual image data to reflect the edits, the Lightroom originals are not what you are going to be publishing with jAlbum. For the purposes of jAlbum and publishing images in general, Lightroom gives you explicit control of metadata included during an export or publish operation. See this tip for details: https://lightroomkillertips.com/controlling-metadata-export/. I find that choosing "All Except Camera RAW Info" preserves everything except for all the LR develop instructions which are the big guilty party in pushing my XMP data over the 64KB single-segment limit. This data is only useful for other image-processing applications and a lot of it is Adobe-specific anyway, so no loss to filter this out from images exported for publishing. FWIW, I've hit the 64KB XMP segment limit with other image processing apps other than jAlbum, in particular exiv2 which I use to script various metadata operations on my images.
RobM

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 16 Apr 20, 22:55   in response to: dzeleznik in response to: dzeleznik
 
Thanks for the update. I no longer use Adobe products, so am out of date on their use. Keeping the edit metadata is only of use if you stay with Adobe products, other applications will have their own raw engines and the results might not be an exact match.
JeffTucker

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 16 Apr 20, 23:03   in response to: dzeleznik in response to: dzeleznik
 
This really deserves to be emphasized:

dzeleznik wrote:
... Lightroom gives you explicit control of metadata included during an export or publish operation. See this tip for details: https://lightroomkillertips.com/controlling-metadata-export/. I find that choosing "All Except Camera RAW Info" preserves everything except for all the LR develop instructions which are the big guilty party in pushing my XMP data over the 64KB single-segment limit.

Excellent advice.

https://lightroomkillertips.com/controlling-metadata-export/
RobM

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 16 Apr 20, 23:12   in response to: JeffTucker in response to: JeffTucker
 
jGromit wrote:
This really deserves to be emphasized:

dzeleznik wrote:
... Lightroom gives you explicit control of metadata included during an export or publish operation. See this tip for details: https://lightroomkillertips.com/controlling-metadata-export/. I find that choosing "All Except Camera RAW Info" preserves everything except for all the LR develop instructions which are the big guilty party in pushing my XMP data over the 64KB single-segment limit.

Excellent advice.

https://lightroomkillertips.com/controlling-metadata-export/

Indeed, so I have added it to the supporting application forum, http://jalbum.net/forum/thread.jspa?threadID=56133
davidekholm

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 17 Apr 20, 13:58   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
jAlbum 20 now auto updates to 20.0.3 which compresses xmp metadata (30% reduction) and doesn't bail out if it can't write too large xmp chunks to images (writing is simply skipped). The download archives have been silently updated to 20.0.3 and I've updated the release notes
JeffTucker

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 17 Apr 20, 14:07   in response to: davidekholm in response to: davidekholm
 
davidekholm wrote:
jAlbum 20 now auto updates to 20.0.3 which compresses xmp metadata (30% reduction) and doesn't bail out if it can't write too large xmp chunks to images (writing is simply skipped).

Certainly better than a crash, but for the user who's really concerned about his copyright and creator tags getting into the slides, it's still a problem. Exporting the images from the image-processing app without all the image editing tags is the real answer for those users.

Is there any sort of warning when writing is skipped, like maybe a console error message?
davidekholm

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 17 Apr 20, 14:15   in response to: JeffTucker in response to: JeffTucker
 
jGromit wrote:
davidekholm wrote:
jAlbum 20 now auto updates to 20.0.3 which compresses xmp metadata (30% reduction) and doesn't bail out if it can't write too large xmp chunks to images (writing is simply skipped).

Certainly better than a crash, but for the user who's really concerned about his copyright and creator tags getting into the slides, it's still a problem. Exporting the images from the image-processing app without all the image editing tags is the real answer for those users.

I agree

Is there any sort of warning when writing is skipped, like maybe a console error message?

Yes, It prints an error message about this including the file name to the system console.
JeffTucker

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Re: An unexpected error.......
Posted: 17 Apr 20, 14:21   in response to: davidekholm in response to: davidekholm
 
davidekholm wrote:
jGromit wrote:
Is there any sort of warning when writing is skipped, like maybe a console error message?

Yes, It prints an error message about this including the file name to the system console.


Excellent. (I didn't have a bad enough file to test that.)
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