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jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 14:21   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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Yup. That deletes the xmp GPS coordinates that are tripping up jAlbum, leaving only the EXIF GPS coordinates, which work just fine!
jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 14:42   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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AndreWolff wrote:
I found how to use the meta data:

Wow. Talk about "the long way 'round Robin Hood's barn!"

For user-friendly display:
<div>${gpsLatitude}, ${gpsLongitude}</div>
To pull the values that the Google maps API wants:
gmLL = gpsLocation.split(",");
gpsLat = gmLL[0];
gpsLong = gmLL[1];
RobM

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 14:42   in response to: jGromit in response to: jGromit
 
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jGromit wrote:
Yup. That deletes the xmp GPS coordinates that are tripping up jAlbum, leaving only the EXIF GPS coordinates, which work just fine!
Updated the manual to detail the above, might prove useful for future reference.
AndreWolff

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 16:29   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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Attachment LR_MAP.PNG (509,8 KB)
RobM wrote:
AndreWolff wrote:
RobM wrote:
See the image you posted at the start of this thread, https://jalbum.net/forum/servlet/JiveServlet/download/2-53092-320343-17262/jAlbumGpsBug.PNG
Just click the trash can icon
I think this is a wrong link: it just downloads my own screenshot and I see no trash can icon
See the image you posted at the start of this thread, just click the trash can icon. The link was to that image, look at it - there is a trash can icon at the lower right.

As I said before, this is not working on my Windows 10 system, I see no trash icon and clicking that image just download it.

But never mind, I showed above that gpsLocation returns the wrong locations in my test album unless I use the meta.get("Gps.GPS Latitude") code.
In that case the Google Maps locations are the same as i see in Lightroom, see enclosed screenshot.
jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 16:34   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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AndreWolff wrote:
As I said before, this is not working on my Windows 10 system, I see no trash icon and clicking that image just download it.

Oh, good lord. Don't click on the screenshot! In jAlbum, open your jellyfish image for editing by double-clicking it. Now open the Location panel on the right. Click on the trash icon to the right of the incorrect GPS coordinates. Make your album.
AndreWolff

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 17:28   in response to: jGromit in response to: jGromit
 
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jGromit wrote:
Oh, good lord. Don't click on the screenshot! In jAlbum, open your jellyfish image for editing by double-clicking it. Now open the Location panel on the right. Click on the trash icon to the right of the incorrect GPS coordinates. Make your album.
OK that is a much beter description as our manual writer RobM gives!

But why should I do this, if other programs, like LR, display the correct location with the same image?

I think jAlbum should just repair this bug!
jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 17:44   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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AndreWolff wrote:
OK that is a much beter description as our manual writer RobM gives!

The only person who was confused by this was you. No one else would ever think that clicking a screenshot was going to have any effect, other than downloading the screenshot.

But why should I do this, if other programs, like LR, display the correct location with the same image?

I think jAlbum should just repair this bug!


OK, so don't fix it. Put up with the wrong location.

It's not clear whether the xmp extraction is being done by something David wrote, or by the metadata extractor routine that someone else wrote. If the latter, the fix could be a long time coming.
AndreWolff

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 18:10   in response to: jGromit in response to: jGromit
 
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jGromit wrote:
The only person who was confused by this was you. No one else would ever think that clicking a screenshot was going to have any effect, other than downloading the screenshot.
How do you know that I was the only person who was confused?
I did not expect any effect, but I just did what RobM said!

OK, so don't fix it. Put up with the wrong location.
So you suggest that if I have an album with 100 locations, I have to click 100 times that trash can, to be sure that all locations are correctly displayed?
jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 18:18   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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AndreWolff wrote:
How do you know that I was the only person who was confused?

Experience.

So you suggest that if I have an album with 100 locations, I have to click 100 times that trash can, to be sure that all locations are correctly displayed?

Either that, or put up with the wrong locations. Or wait an unknown length of time for a software fix. Your choice.
AndreWolff

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 18:27   in response to: jGromit in response to: jGromit
 
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jGromit wrote:
AndreWolff wrote:
So you suggest that if I have an album with 100 locations, I have to click 100 times that trash can, to be sure that all locations are correctly displayed?

Either that, or put up with the wrong locations. Or wait an unknown length of time for a software fix. Your choice.

Wel to give an example, look how many wrong locations there are in this album

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jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 10-Sep-2017 18:51   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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Well, you could stamp your feet, or threaten to hold your breath until you turn blue. But I really don't think that a trantrum is going be very effective.

Or, you could use a skin that lets you show a map only for a few of the images, rather than all of them, which would mean fixing only a handful. Or add that option to one of your own skins.

There are, of course, utilities that would let you batch process all of those images, stripping out the xmp, but leaving the EXIF. They tend to be "all or nothing," however, stripping out all xmp.

But in the time you've spent arguing about this, you could have quickly arrowed your way through all those images, and deleted all of the problem xmp locations. You'd be done by now. But no, you'd rather spend your time fussing about it.
AndreWolff

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 11-Sep-2017 09:48   in response to: RobM in response to: RobM
 
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RobM wrote:
If you remove the xmp.exif GPS parameters the image shows the correct information in jAlbum.
Incorrect, if you click the trash tray, you see no location information in the location window, so you think you removed the location information. However if you make the album you see still location information for the corresponding slide in the album. If you go back to the location window for that image, there is still no location showed! Do you think that the average user understands this?

Initially I had the xmp check-mark in the Advanced meta settings cleared. The hint for that checkbox says: “Give priority to xmp metadata ...”, so if you clear that check mark, the xmp position information should be ignored and jAlbum should only process the gps information in the EXIF data block.

I guess if you set the position in the location window, the position is saved in the xmp block. So if that xmp checkbox is cleared, it should not be possible to set or change the position in the location window.

If you set the xmp check-mark and you change the position in the location window, the position in the EXIF data block should be removed or made equal to the new position, because the EXIF position is overruled by the new position. If jAlbum can’t or will not change the EXIF gps information, it should always show also the EXIF position information in the location window.

So normally you should never see a position in both the xmp and in the EXIF block or both positions should be identicaL.
I have no idea where the xmp location information in the image discussed in this thread comes from, because I never used the location information window. So if jAlbum finds a position both in the xmp block and in the EXIF block and these positions are not equal it should ignore the xmp position if the xmp check-mark is cleared and show the EXIF data-block position.
If the xmp check-mark is set, it should show the xmp position, unless that block is not filled, in which case it should process the EXIF data-block position.
jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 11-Sep-2017 13:02   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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AndreWolff wrote:
RobM wrote:
Initially I had the xmp check-mark in the Advanced meta settings cleared. The hint for that checkbox says: “Give priority to xmp metadata ...”, so if you clear that check mark, the xmp position information should be ignored and jAlbum should only process the gps information in the EXIF data block.

Since that checkbox is in a section labeled Comment sources, don't you think it would be a little strange if it affected things other than comments?

Edit: The tooltip is puzzling, however. It implies that it goes beyond just comments, but isn't very clear about exactly what other variables are involved.
jGromit

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 11-Sep-2017 13:13   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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AndreWolff wrote:
Incorrect, if you click the trash tray, you see no location information in the location window, so you think you removed the location information. However if you make the album you see still location information for the corresponding slide in the album. If you go back to the location window for that image, there is still no location showed!

Close and reopen the project. It will now pick up the location from the remaining EXIF GPS coordinates. An automatic refresh would be good, I suppose.

Edit: It is true, however, that the trash can will remove only xmp information. jAlbum doesn't have any ability to write (or delete) EXIF fields. So, if you try to remove the EXIF coordinates, they appear to go away, but reappear as soon as you reopen the project.
RobM

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Re: Jalbum 14.1.10 for Windows 10 extracts the wrong GPS value from a picture.
Posted: 11-Sep-2017 13:22   in response to: AndreWolff in response to: AndreWolff
 
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AndreWolff wrote:
RobM wrote:
If you remove the xmp.exif GPS parameters the image shows the correct information in jAlbum.
Incorrect, if you click the trash tray, you see no location information in the location window, so you think you removed the location information. However if you make the album you see still location information for the corresponding slide in the album. If you go back to the location window for that image, there is still no location showed! Do you think that the average user understands this?
I should have been more specific for you, I meant the image would have the correct GPS data which jAlbum would use to produce the correct map location for your album - obviously if you delete the xmp:exif.gps data there is no location information to use to show on the map.

Remember "jAlbum 14 now has integrated support for geotagging images using Google Maps. Just edit an image within jAlbum and expand the new “Location” panel. Now you can either geotag that image by placing a marker on the map or view an existing location. (*The location data is stored within each image file in the open xmp format* so it’s recognized by other xmp-aware software, like Adobe's software suite or Apple’s OS.)"

So, if you want your images to show the location in jAlbum's edit mode you will need to enter the correct coordinates as in the above quote.
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